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Old 11-11-2008, 02:56 AM
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Question Future of Richmond & Peter Street.

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Pretty much 99.9% of Richmond St. & Peter St. has been zoned for property development.... which we'll see go up in a few years time.....


So here's my question: the clubs that are there right now, are they essentially temporary cash cows?


We all know the club owners do not own the land (ie, they're leasing as we saw Metro's owner "change hands" a while ago, for example).


What's gonna happen for the Downtown club circuit?!?!?!?! Where will perverts like me go to hit on young drunk hootchiez???? Will Richmond St. die out in infamy???? 905/College/King St. W/Exhibition Grounds/etc. gonna be the saviour????

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Clubs will still be there, just not as many. Example, new owner of LEVEL/SUITE 106/WETBAR bought the clubs AND the building. Zisi owns the building that holds Embassy and Tonic so unless he sells to a condo company, those arent going anywhere. Republik and Circa also arent going anywhere.

Spice Route was only givena 2 year license since a condo is going there. But no one knows this so go there and enjoy it while it lasts.

On a side, imagine how much money you can make to make it worth renovating a place for a couple million and knowing you're only going to be open 2 years.
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Also...

Aromatic Spices on King St ... the building is owned by an Indian guy. A condo developer bought everyone around him and is putting up a $200 million dollar project (condo) and Aromatic Spices buildings owner is holding out for get this....$70 million. (the buidling is worth maybe 2 million, the condo has offered him well above that and offered him $7 million.

He's nuts but pretty much has the condo developer by the short and curly's...
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Lightbulb Good analysis.

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Good analysis, Prez. Good analysis.


I can’t comment because I don’t have much knowledge about any of thisstuff; I’m just an avid casual clubber.


That said, though, lemme ask this: do you see the “entertainment district” moving outside of the downtown core, in the near future?


P.S. I use the word “entertainment district” in quotes because the theater district on King St. is also part of the “entertainment district”, and I don’tthink that is going anywhere given that how much revenue it generates for the City and Province in tourism alone . I’m obviously alluding go the “nightclub district”.

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It will still be there, just not in the numbers we've had in the past 10 years. Probably 10 clubs max.
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Question Side note....

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http://tinyurl.com/56bqu5


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The Entertainment District is an area in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada with about 300 night clubs.

I guess the "300 clubs" includes resturtants?

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300 doesnt even make sense...lol
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mehhhhhhhhh let them take it all down....change the drinking age to 21 and clean up this city!
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mehhhhhhhhh let them take it all down....change the drinking age to 21 and clean up this city!
RIGHT???

Good idea.

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RIGHT???

Good idea.

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I agree! and it's better to have a few quality clubs than 100 caves.


hell....at a certain point in your life you really don't care about clubs anymore.
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hell....at a certain point in your life you really don't care about clubs anymore.


WORD....it's so true....I could care less...as you can tell by my above response! LOL

QUALITY over QUANTITY!
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Besides richard D who runs a clubbing site, and any manager/promoter in the downtown area.. seriously who gives a fuck?

There are clubs everywhere nowadays.. this looks good on those clubs that overcharge & hold the lineups for no reason.. i hpoe they're the first ones to die
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I personally think its better for everyone if its spread out as opposed to all piled up on top of each other.

Less crime
Less crowds walking on the road
Less competition when you dont have to worry about people turning around and going to the club next door...=higher door charges, less having to give away vip etc. If people have to drive to timbuktu to go to your club and there are no other clubs around you, less chance they'll walk away when you tell them everyone pays $25 cover (ie MUZIK)
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Cool Projections.

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Besides richard D who runs a clubbing site, and any manager/promoter in the downtown area..


Well, umm, not exactly. A large chunk of TNC’s revenue comes to commercial advertising. But you do touch on a good point, Kris. Thing is: TNC is seen as a ‘clubbing site’ – and this is where I think the site can really grow and expand on.


I truly think TNC is capable of generating $9-$13 million dollars annually. No, I’m not kidding. I’m by no means a ‘market valuations’ expert, but given a little tweaking, I genuinely think this site has the potential to become Canada’s ‘premiere night life’ portal.


If Richard D wants to keep this as an exclusive clubbing site, that’s fine – and it’s entirely his prerogative. But I think the TNC marketing folks can really generate close to a few million dollars, not necessarily by advertising exclusively, but by way of partnerships, channeling products, business solicitations and more.


Why do I say that? Simply because TNC is more than likely can be a “gateway” towards information & incentives, a key catalyst in Toronto (and Canadian) nightlife experiences.


For example:


1. When I go to a search engine such as Google, for instance, when I enter keywords such as “Toronto”, “clubs”, “dancing”, nightlife”, etc. TNC is among the Top 3 hits. In business school terms, this is fantastic Branding 101. And I’m sure plenty of in-bound tourists to Toronto do that, but once they come on the site, all they get is ‘information’ and not much ‘action’ to go from there.


2. TNC needs to build partnerships with the City’s 5-star hotel chains (e.g.: Sheraton, Hilton, Westin, Royal York, etc). When I travel on business, whether I am in Tokyo, Singapore, San Francisco or Dubai, my first line of contact about the City is my hotel’s Concierge Desk. Again, there’s nothing of that sort in Toronto. Ditto for university & college campus liaisons, etc. Another great opportunity of TNC to capitalize on.


3. TNC should NOT: (a) – Try to be a social networking site; (b) – A city guide site like www.toronto.com; or (c) – A club guide site. Instead, TNC can and should enter alliances with the City’s night clubs, supper clubs, trendy restaurants, bars & pubs, frats & sororities, etc. to work some sort of an ‘incentive’. eg: A group young folks from Sydney, Australia want to come to Toronto, and hey, allow them to reserve guest list access, bottler service, etc. all via TNC and make that FREE OF CHARGE! This way everyone wins – TNC, the club proprietors, and surely it will attract advertisers.


4. Corporate marketing – Don’t confuse this with event planning or what not. That’s entirely different. There are hundreds or thousands of Fortune 1000 companies, law/consulting/banking firms, etc. who have dedicated event planning personnel, but they have no where to turn to other than calling up establishments directly. Whether it’s a Holiday party, new student recruitment event, gala, or whatever, TNC can be the perfect gateway between corporate event planning and the establishment. Another untapped “horizontal”!


5. Demographic power – The TNC Marketing folks should care about traffic on the site. That, IMHO, is irrelevant and useless unless TNC has a product to sell. TNC doesn’t. What TNC should do instead is act as a gateway to the entertainment establishments, whether via incentive, promotions, etc. Again, as per the reasons above, the 25-45 age demographic are some of the biggest spenders in the city, including the city's vibrant gay community.


6. Over the years, other “clubbing sites” have vanished where as TNC has remained strong and going. As per the above examples, nothing can stop TNC from going national with perhaps an “account rep” focusing on each province or major city. I honestly think TNC has the accumen to be Canada's "nightlife experience site" - and we have none in the city or the country for that matter. (eg: Again, stuff like Martini Boys, Toronto.com, or sites that post up event pictures, etc. are all info portals, where as I'm advocating TNC to be a "gateway" to night club entertainment. Big difference).


7. If TNC needs start-up capital, given some of the plausible ideas, TNC can get that capital from any major bank’s capital markets entity, and this can be a go – given there is motivation and persistence.


And you know what’s the best part to all this? TNC doesn’t need to hire savvy marketing executives, high-priced consultants or lawyers or draft up a high-level business case to execute. It is entirely possible and feasible, just with a little effort and vision projection.


I hope some of the TNC’s admins or marketing peeps will read this missive, and heed from it.



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Here's the future of peter and richmond : LoL


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well, with over half the population of the GTA being Indian these days, i say yah'll move the club district to Rexdale and Scartown!

BOOM!!!


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lol I miss orchid
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